Smack Talk

the B's set out to hold 26 for the hold 8 miles - as we only needed to hold that pace needed to break the record - we will go faster next time as long as those slower c's that jump into the b's don't hold us up agian

Doesn't training take place Monday nights?

The simple fact is - the B's have never gone faster than the C's in a record attempt!

July 8th
A (10 Mile) 27.01***
B (8 Mile) 25.97
C (5 Mile) 26.97

June 17th
A (10 Mile) 28.28
B (8 Mile) 25.64
C (5 Mile) 26.23

April 15th
A (10 Mile) 25.80
B (8 Mile) 23.34
C (5 Mile) 24.67

*** no official time for 7/8 was posted.

Josh - train to race....race to train!

-jsp

Your argument is correct Scott, but your conclusions are wrong.

By setting the bar (relative to other groups) low, and by incrementally increasing it as Pete alluded, the B's are in effect much smarter than the C's.

Every record attempt, somebody is taking home some money.

I'd say it's a brains vs. brawn argument, and I prefer brains any day.

Tim

[Eats popcorn and watches]

Tim,

Your argument falls apart when you look at the incremental speed increase of the C's. The C's have done the same thing.

So in this post - you have called the A's stupid and the B's sand-baggers? I hope you can find a little brawn to make up for this :-)

-jsp

scott that's correct A's are stupid and B's are sand-baggers and the B's are smarter then the C's becuase they are not C's or A's.

But Scott, you're assuming the C's are doing it intelligently. I bet they just ran out of brawn. It's hard to go faster when you've already done all you can.

Another way to look at your second assessment is the A's times are because they actually race like it's a bike race.

It's not like the money-grubbing B's who decided to take the money while they can since they know they'll never *really* be good enough to get paid to do this stuff for real.

And it's not like the C's whose race is short enough to do a field pursuit and use only power and no brains.

Just sayin'

Tim

PS. Did I up the level of smack enough for you Scott? :)

PPS. I love you all, especially (or maybe only) those who come to my pursuit nights.

The C's had some "sage advice" from somebody who has participated in some extremely fast record attempts in the past. The advice was - ride it like a team time trial. Ride it hard - take your pulls and get out of the way. That's the way an X mile race is supposed to be ridden...

With one possible exception, the group of C's committed to the task at hand (breaking the record) and were successful. There were a few "errors" along the way. There is a lot of room for improvement - and I honestly believe with the talent we had there last night, we could go 30-60 seconds faster.

You can read all of the intangible information you want into this - but the simple fact of the matter is that on record night, the C's have gone faster than the B's on 3 occasions.

ps. Your smack is hollow and based on speculation - which is odd, coming from somebody who prides himself on the physics of the velodrome and stuff like that!

pps. I'd rather shoot myself in the foot than ride a pursuit - but you do a good thing!

I'm not sure you could successfully argue the C's race was executed without brains.

6 racers worked together to keep a high pace. Each man took pulls and managed to keep the pace relatively high. With 2 laps to go, I jumped to field to try and win the Andrew Jackson. I was caught with less than a lap to go... and we still managed to break the record by 19 seconds! 19s? That's almost a whole lap! This wouldn't have been possible if it was every man for himself for the whole 25 laps.

-BigLeblauski

Well put, Jeff. Good work last night.

The C's race is only 62.5% the distance of the B's race. A fairer comparison would be made by comparing the C's entire race speed to the last five miles of the B's race. A B's race with no C's riders interference that is.

Ah... so it was my 27 mph pull that slowed you down? Yeah - that's it!

Honestly I doubt if your participation effected our time one way or the other. My point is that if you want to compare C's to B's lets compare C's to B's without any interference (perceived or actual) over the same distance.

I'm downgrading!

I'll have Hoppy grab the 3 miles and 5 mile times on the B's next time. First 5 - Last 5.

I'm not sure if I will ride both, we will see!

So I guess this means "it's on"?

So, are you saying...

...that people talking smack at me might make me faster?

Bring it on! I feel the need - the need for speed!

;)

I think HotBlack is smack talk proof. He doesn't give a rat's patooty one way or the other.